Culture Moment: Marc Lamont Hill vs. QueenzFlip Goes Viral — And Joe Budden Fires Back At Native Land Podcast
Written by b87fm on 10/20/2025
What started as a tense back-and-forth between Marc Lamont Hill and QueenzFlip on The Joe Budden Podcast has now spiraled into a full-on debate about anti-intellectualism and respectability in Black media spaces. The exchange — laced with “tricky” wordplay and “sucka” talk — caught fire across social media, eventually landing on the radar of Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillum, and Bakari Sellers of Native Land Podcast.
On their episode titled “Joe Budden’s Podcast and the Dumbing Down of America,” Rye and her co-hosts unpacked what they saw as a clash between intellectual rigor and street perspective.
“I just want Marc to know I’m praying for you, brother,” Rye said, suggesting he deserved to be in spaces with “more compassionate and eager” voices. Sellers and Gillum agreed that Hill’s presence on a major platform like Budden’s brought value, even if the conversation was uncomfortable.
But Joe Budden and his crew weren’t having it. On a new episode, Budden called the framing “offensive,” taking issue with both the title and what he saw as elitist undertones.
“In these political spaces, we pick and choose when we want to play victim and when we want to play aggressor,” Ish said, accusing Native Land of dismissing QueenzFlip the way white institutions historically dismissed Black voices.
Joe Budden and cast reply to Angela Rye on her latest comments about the show and using it for clicks?‼️🤔 pic.twitter.com/AITilIxm94
— SoulFood66 (@BlackAndNative1) October 18, 2025
Parks Vallely chimed in too, calling it hypocritical for anyone to judge the podcast based on short clips:
“If you don’t watch the podcast and admit that you don’t watch the podcast… I do have a problem with that.”
Budden, while acknowledging Rye’s “non-invitation” to her show, blasted what he viewed as performative intellectualism.
“Make your point without Joe Budden’s name in it,” he snapped. “Who the f–k are you people?”
Even QueenzFlip questioned Rye’s stance directly, wondering if she thought he was “too ignorant to learn.” Hill pushed back against that idea, but Budden doubled down, defending his platform’s real-time, unfiltered approach.
“I’m a fan of redemption. I allow people to see growth,” Budden said. “I got a problem with the people that masquerade as super Black, all for the people, and are the first ones to tell you how we’re different.”
The back-and-forth has since fueled heated debate online. Some argue Native Land made fair points about intellectual discourse, while others side with Budden, calling the critique elitist and hypocritical. Either way, the Hill vs. QueenzFlip moment has clearly touched a nerve in Black media circles.
